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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 12:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Speaking of Ohio …

The 11/30/81 Dayton post inspired me to re-listen to this one from 3/2/81, and you should too!

It’s just so good, and I love CM’s re-master of this clear, sparkling audience tape by Bob Wagner. (Incidentally, what's an 'MOTB'? I have no clue about technical stuff, but I guess this is one. Whatever that means.)

http://archive.org/details/gd1981-03-02.nak700.wagner.miller.90165.sbeok.flac16

It gets off to an amazing start with a slow-cooking, high-powered Shakedown -- funky, tight, and very Phillified (like the whole show … “when Phil is on,” etc.) -- followed by a hot and thumping Minglewood (with a nice nod by Bob to Cleveland girls that is clearly appreciated by the crowd). Other standouts in the generally wonderful 1st set are a beautifully focused and measured Althea and an off-the-charts Jack-a-Roe. Good stuff.

The 2nd set is terrific, too – mellow in a tightly restrained way, as if they’re holding the reins of a high-stepping horse – with an amble through Ramble on Rose followed by a bright, jazzy Playin > China Doll > Playin > drums-space > Playin … and on until morning.

I love hearing the audience excitement on this one. Generally I’m drawn to AUD tapes of shows I was at (do other people find that too?), but also there’s something so special about a Cleveland audience (at least to me) -- maybe it’s the whole enthusiastic underdog thing – and you can really feel how much the crowd gets into lines like “don’t tell me this town ain’t got no heart,” and “just gotta poke around.” There’s a SBD too, but this is such a good AUD … and did I mention Phil? Front and center (well, I guess it would have been stage left/audience right), coming across as if the tape is plugged right into his bass!

Enjoy :-)


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Poster: turnphilup Date: Nov 14, 2012 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

"(with a nice nod by Bob to Cleveland girls that is clearly appreciated by the crowd)"

If my ears are deceiving me, which is quite possible, Bob calls out to New York City girls at about the 6:45 mark of Minglewood. Think Bob forgot what town he was in. Thanks for the Phil alert. Not a year I got to for him, but it's good to just poke around sometimes. Peace.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

That's later, when it's "T for New York City." (He's dyslexic, after all!) Cleveland girls go with the extra shots of whiskey.

Actually I think it's usually T for either San Francisco or NYC, I guess cuz they scan the same, and then "girls around here" are wherever he is. There's a show where he says "and it's T right here wherever we are" ... it's at Merriweather Post, which is kind of in between DC and Baltimore.

I'm sure you're right that '81 isn't generally the strongest Phil year, but IMO he's on for this one -- and it's picking him up, too, which AUDs often don't. Lots of AUDs from that time, in comparison to SBDs, I think. (Maybe not true, but just my hunch.)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 14, 2012 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Bob often had trouble getting those line right. At some point, he dropped the "New York City" for shows in other places. He kept on saying "Cleveland" even when the played the Coliseum -- which is pretty far from the city, actually. I recall in one of the Sept 1990 shows he mistakenly said "Philly fillies" before, without missing a beat, correcting himself. Philly was the next stop on the tour.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I have to politely disagree with you there! What else would he say? "Richfield girls"? All five of them would be working the concessions and wouldn't hear him. What else is around the Coliseum? North Royalton girls? Those Hinckley buzzards start lookin good?

Cleveland is the correct reference. Although he could have said "T for Cleveland-Akron," which would have the right meter ...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 15, 2012 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I would have given anything to hear Bob sing, "Them North Royalton fillies start lookin' good!" or "T in Akron/Canton."

Which makes me wonder: Did they play Minglewood at the Rubber Bowl, and if so, what did he say?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 14, 2012 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I was listening to a 1978 UCLA Pauley Pavilion (Westwood CA) show from 1978 and Bob inserts "and it's T for Studio City," which I found pretty funny as it is a good distance from Westwood. Maybe their hotel was in Studio City ...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

"Nice" nod to Cleveland girls? I most politely disagree.

I've always thought this line to be overtly sexist.

Literal: "A couple more shots of whiskey, those Cleveland girls (also can insert "filly" here - thanks for the spelling correction...I was aware he is referring to a female horse, yet more fuel for the fire) start lookin' good"

TRANSLATION: "After I've gotten shitfaced, these horse-faced broads from Cleveland actually don't look so much like a foot and I'd considered having sexual relations with them"

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 14, 2012 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

or his lines in Man Smart, Woman Smarter

"It ain't me, but the people who say
That the men are leading the women astray
But I say that the women today
Are smarter than the men in every way"

TRANLATION: "I'm kissing ass so I can get laid more often" LOL

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 14, 2012 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

real translation: women are manipulative and are really the ones in control and they have men on a string.This song was never meant to be the way so many people especially women take it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2012 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Seems like we may have touched upon that before...

http://archive.org/post/224886/help-for-cosmic-charlie-duprees-project

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 14, 2012 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I know. That tends to happen a lot around here haha

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Oh no. I'm going to be out-feministed by a chair basher!

OK, technically, you have a point. Mr. Lion's Den is not really on the list of Admirable GD Characters. (Which would be a short list, I suspect.) But I prefer to think of the subtext as, "I'm a no-good devil of a cheatin', jail-breakin' womanizer, who was thinkin' about cards and horses, but now that I've had a few shots of whiskey here in [insert name of cow town], another form of entertainment comes to mind."

Or, actually: "I, Bob, am singing this song, and here comes a place where I can insert name of city."

OK, not particularly politically correct, but at least we can all be happy that Bob doesn't try to sing a Sensitive New Age Man kind of song. Now that would be scary.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Closest approximation to Sensitive Man song: Cassidy.

but you're right, if you shout out the city name, you can rouse a cheer every time...

I think the SDH interpretation hits the mark. In the mis-heard lyrics category: "those filly girls start lookin' good".

But in general, our jailbird is just a horn-dog. From alternate lyrics:
"If you're ever in Memphis, better stop by Minglewood
Well take a walk down town, the women sure look good"

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Looks Like Rain?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I'm not sure using the sound of screeching made by humping alley cats qualifies this tune as "sensitive". Lame songwriting on a monumental scale maybe, but not sensitve. IMHO anyway.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Ah, but the key word was "try." TRY to sing a Sensitive New Age Man song. And I'm afraid LLR may have actually have been a "try." And so are his little improvised raps after it. There may even be more tries if someone combed through Solo Bob stuff ... although that might make the intrepid comber come to a true appreciation of the brilliance of sticking with Hell in a Bucket.

I think the most Sensitive Guy Tries actually may have come from Brent. But I seriously cannot get through his songs to check that.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2012 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

It was because he couldn't play St. Stephen....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oBwGzGlTlY&;feature=related

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2012 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

Seriously funny thread.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 14, 2012 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

yes...i know...i would have to say that this is one of the best FOB AUD rec i have heard of the GD>....very very tasty

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 14, 2012 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I prefer the Dayton show, but this one isn't bad.

03-02-81 - Cleveland Music Hall, Cleveland, OH
1: Shakedown Street, Minglewood Blues, Dire Wolf, Cassidy, Althea, El Paso, Jack A Roe, Lazy Lightning> Supplication, Don't Ease Me In> Promised Land
2: Ramble On Rose, Playin' in the Band-> China Doll> PITB jam> Drums> Space> Playin' in the Band> The Wheel> Around & Around> Johnny B. Goode, E: U.S. Blues

Source: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-02.nak700.wagner.miller.90165.sbeok.flac16

This show has serious potential given the era and looking at the set list. Really nice first set selections and a big second set anchored by about 20 minutes of Playin’. Unfortunately we’ve only got an audience recording, though it is a nice crispy one.

Starts with a lazy, sleazy Shakedown that they really stretch out and jam with a heavy funk vibe. A must-hear for Shakedown aficionados. Jerry sounds pretty dialed-in tonight, with some sick blues licks on Minglewood, and even Bobby doesn’t sound too bad. I love it how they set the song up to give Jerry a chance to redeem it in case Bobby blew it on the slide. But this one basically works, and Bobby gets the “Cleveland” part right, though he’s still saying “New York City” on the last line. Dire Wolf is a standard version of a great song. Cassidy adds a welcome bit of psychedelic jamming to the first, though I must say, I miss Donna on this song. Althea is pretty good, though Bob’s slide work is starting to grate on me a bit at this point. But I respect him for trying. El Paso is typically great, with those feathery leads played over Bob’s sad waltz. The tempo picks up quickly with a high-energy Jack A Roe, a nice answer to Weir’s El Paso and a great set-up for the smokin’ Lazy Lightnin’> Supplication that is to come—a loose, bouncy groove that features some of the best jamming of the show. Don’t Ease/Promised combo is pretty standard fare, with a false start at the beginning of Promised redeemed by great Garcia axe-work.

Ramble on Rose seems like a throw-back to open the second, but Jerry lays down some nice leads and delivers the money lines to start off a fun second set. The Playin’ jam sounds a little aimless at first, but they find a nice little groove during the seventh minute and don’t look back, with Bob coming up big during a few key segues, including a near-Spanish jam at one point before a spot on transition into a beautiful version of China Doll. Perfect execution throughout, with a tweaky little PITB reprise into drums. Post-space is uninspired: starts with a tepid Wheel that pretty quickly segues into the Around and Around> JBG closing combo. US Blues is equally ordinary.

Highlights: Shakedown, Lazy Lightnin’> Supplication, Playin’> China Doll

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

I really couldn't say which one I think is best. (I don't have a copy of the Dayton show, so I'd have to rely on my fickle internet speed if I tried to do a comparison.) I just feel I was lucky then to see them, and lucky now to have them available like this :-)

You really did an amazing job with those reviews. Mine are just kind of gushing. Yours are way more observant!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 14, 2012 10:04am
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You ought to keep on going through the 80s Ohio shows. There are some fun ones ahead -- although I don't think that the next night (3/3/81) holds a candle to the other two '81 shows. After that, there's a long hiatus (more than 2.5 years) before the next show, at Blossom on 6/29/84, but it's a great one!

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 14, 2012 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

my fav CLEVELAND ohio shows in order
12/6/73....no need to comment on that
nov 78....wow...set 2!
3/2/81
june 85....sloppy but pulled off nicely
9-8-90....a wonderful set 2..welcome vince!
9-6-91....whole show is just rippin....
6-8-92....wondeful eyes
3-14-93...STELLA BLUE....might be the best played OUTRO i have ever heard play
9-8-93...jerry was sparling in set 2

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 14, 2012 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wonderful Ohio '81 (and Phil Alert)

What about 11/29/79? Super solid. I think it edges the '78 show.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-29.sbd.miller.95831.sbeok.flac16

And while I'm at it, what about 10/28/72!??!!? Holy crap! The Dark Star> Sugar Mag is tremendous!

http://archive.org/details/gd72-10-28.sbd.cotsman.20301.sbeok.shnf

Oh, and not sure if you're confusing it with another show, but they didn't play Eyes on 6/8/92 (which is nevertheless a very good '92 show with a fantastic first set).

Also, it's just my preference, but I like 9/4/91 more than 9/6/91. The ten-song first set and the raging Scarlet>Fire put it over the top.

http://archive.org/details/gd1991-09-04.sbd.miller.95313.sbeok.flac16

Okay, Senor Nit-picker signing off... For now.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 15, 2012 4:10am
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wow...forgot about 72 and the allen theater 71 show.!!!
ohio has many great jambands as well!!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 15, 2012 10:21am
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Love the Cryptical> Deal from the Allen show. Such a nice natural transition -- sounds like it was meant to happen. Too bad they dropped Cryptical soon thereafter.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 15, 2012 10:27am
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Did you use to see Orbroros back in the day?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 15, 2012 11:09am
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Heh.. yeah. How about the Spook Floaters? Love Cowboy anyone?

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 15, 2012 12:25pm
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I am in jim millers band the jimiller band!!..small world

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 15, 2012 4:48pm
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Wow, cool. I used to see Oroboros in Cleveland and in Oxford, Ohio, in the late 80s and early 90s -- also at the Rock and Reggae Fest. Great band.

Remember First Light? What ever happened to them?

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 14, 2012 6:22am
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MOTB means Mouth of the Beast. I tried to go to their Project site but it's down

the site is on the Wayback Machine >>
http://web.archive.org/web/20100722011432/http://www.motb.org/

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 14, 2012 7:31am
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It really is. I thought you were joking! Thanks -- the sum total of what I don't know is, well, a very big total.

So would FOB be Front of the Beast? I assumed it was Front of the Board. What's the difference? Wouldn't a MOTB also be a FOB?

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 14, 2012 7:38am
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FOB is not Front of the Beast lol. It is indeed, Front Of Board, meaning the mics were set up in between the soundboard and the stage.

The MOTB sources, I believe are just sources that were cleaned up by a team of audio editors or something, and they named this project Mouth of the Beast.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Nov 14, 2012 8:07am
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from the above site:
" The missing sound is the dynamics of being up close to the stage while the band performed. Up front, dead center in the first fifteen rows is where "the sound" was ideal. The tapers knew this was the spot. They braved security and the bands' roadies to make these tapes. This project has been started to preserve, archive and distribute these rare recordings. This project is for the fans — who want to experience recordings made in the "Mouth of the Beast"."

So, when the tapers are up front (in the MotB), they record sounds from the stage as well as from the sound system. Un-amplifed sounds such as the drums/cymbals & un-amp-mic'd sounds like from many of the electric instruments are picked up (i.e., louder) as well. This might give a better stereo 'soundscape.'

I love 'em...

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 14, 2012 7:52am
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and they were all Audience Sources that the MOTB Project worked on. Too bad their website expired

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 14, 2012 10:43am
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not true. Check out what they did with this Betty Board! I always thought it was the best sounding transfer on the archive.

http://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.cantor.motb.81457.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Nov 14, 2012 10:57am
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this is a amzing pull from BC...i think what the post is talking about is AUD stuff....thanks for the link....!!listening to it now

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 16, 2012 11:21am
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Wowza sound Q- and not too shabby playing either. What a first frame!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 15, 2012 12:08pm
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Woah! Thank you!